Marnie Clagett - Photography and Community

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Transcript

Matt: 0:43

Marnie Clagett is a hot mess. She's more than a little scatter brain is a complete geek, and her greatest nemesis is her Google Calendar. In 2009, she started what was meant to be a part-time photography business. One year later, she was worn out in struggling, running a full-time studio with hundreds of. A ridiculous schedule and only$10,000 in the bank to show for it. So she made a few big scary changes, took control of her business, and today runs a studio which not only supports her family of four, but also allows her to give back to her hometown and her photography community in ways she never dreamed possible. She believes with every bit of her dorky little heart, if this hot mess can find success of all kinds in her studio, anyone can and loves to prove that by helping other photographers achieve their own goals for improving their business and their lives. Marnie, welcome.

Marnie: 1:34

Thanks, Matt. I'm excited to be here.

Matt: 1:37

Excited to have you. So we know you're a photographer. What type of photography do you do and who are your main clients?

Marnie: 1:45

Ah, I am in a very small town in the middle of Kentucky. So for me, I'm not one of those people who can, can niche. I do a little bit of everything, so primarily families and high school seniors. But then we throw in some head shots in there, We are finally phasing out weddings. Like that's one that I have, I am letting go of. I did my official last wedding in the fall of this past year. And then of course, I've already booked one for this year because they're clients that I've had forever and I love them.

Matt: 2:14

So what will be your favorite part about not photographing weddings anymore?

Marnie: 2:18

Ooh. Not feeling like I am completely hungover the next day without ever having a single drink the night before. That's really the, the thing I'm looking most forward to.

Matt: 2:28

Fun stuff as you get older and the recovery time I photographed, yeah, I second shot a couple of weddings and it wiped me out and I wasn't even, I didn't even think I was working that hard, but I think it might be a little bit of mental stress as well as the physical just running around. making sure you don't miss anything cuz there's not a lot of chance to redo those type of things. So how many high school seniors are you photographing a year? And do you have any type of like a model program or anything? If so, what do you call it?

Marnie: 2:59

Yeah, so we we're very, very, very low volume here. So I photograph about 20 seniors a. And we do have what we call we call it our how do we put it? It's our model, senior experience as opposed to a senior model experience. Because we are looking for kids that wanna make a difference in their community. That's a really big deal to me. Several years ago we had what for your photo. Folks that are listening would recognize as kind of a traditional model where we, brought kids in. We, we just looked for whoever wanted to be a a model. That was our thing. Do you wanna be a model? Come be a part of our model program. And I noticed one year in particular that the kids I was getting were Not kids that I connected with. And they were really excited about the idea of kind of being, you know, social media famous. But that was really it. And I just was, I, I left that year kind of, to make a long story short, feeling like I'm, I'm never gonna do a bottle program again. Like, I'm done with that. It's not, it's not. And so that same year after that I started making some big changes to our business because I realized it's my business and I should get to run it the way I wanna run it.

Matt: 4:11

Funny how that works. Huh?

Marnie: 4:12

It's crazy, isn't it? Why did it take me so long to figure that out? So I decided that I was going to incorporate Charitable marketing basically into my entire business that everything was gonna be based on that on giving back to our community. And so I came up to, you know, senior model season and kind of come and gone. It was, you know, March, which is like the wrong time to try to start a model program. But I was like, what if I did this new? So this new kind of model that I, but base that I have for my, my studio, what if I incorporated that into a senior model program? And so as like this weird last ditch effort. I decided, I was gonna say to our community, we're looking for kids who wanna make a difference. We're looking for kids who wanna volunteer their time you know, serving at Feeding America and serving foods at our local homeless shelter type thing. That's what we were looking for. we said you have to do your senior pictures with us That's gonna be a, a priority. But we're just gonna basically spend the year together serving. And I got more responses, more applications filled out within 48 hours than I'd ever gotten for an a, a model program before. So we realized this is, we're onto something. They're actually kids who want to make a difference and are looking for ways to do that. So that's the type of program we have now. And it's amazing. I spend so much time talking about my kids, so you're gonna have to cut me off here in a minute cuz I'll start telling you stories. Because they are the most amazing humans. And they, they, they're doing huge, huge things. And small things that make a big difference.

Matt: 5:50

Okay, so rather than cut you off, can you share some of the stories that your team have shared with you about their experiences and any special stories that have impacted you along this journey?

Marnie: 6:02

okay, so my favorite my favorite person to pull out is one of the kids whose mom signed them up. And I'm okay with that. Most of our kids sign up themselves, but sometimes mom signs a kid up. And I just, you know, we we're good. We're good with that. But mom signed him up and he came in and his name is Preston. And Preston is beautiful. It's a podcast not a, not a video, so I can't show you pictures of Preston, but Preston is gorgeous. He belongs on the cover of a magazine. We have a, a album of his. Here in the studio, and I once had this woman who is 85 in here, And she, she saw his album and she picked him up and she's like, oh, he's yummy, isn't he? And I was like, oh, I don't think we're supposed to be able to say that the high school boy is yummy. But yeah, he's, he's gorgeous, long, beautiful hair. He's got, the kid has got hair that most women are, are dying for. Just cannot stress how pretty this boy is. So we have this big event that we do every year for our model team. We call it the big model event cuz I'm not creative in the naming process. And we basically, it's like a big huge scavenger hunt that the kids go on downtown where they make goofy videos and they take pictures of themselves doing stupid things that make me laugh. And they do acts of kindness for other people. So they go and sweep stores and buy people coffee and stuff like that. It is a huge hit. The kids love it every year. Well, Preston's second they get kids to do it twice. So their junior year and their senior year, his senior year, he comes in, he's like, Marni, I'm so sorry, but I'm gonna be late to the big model event cuz I'm gonna be at St. Baldrick's. And I was like, oh, cool, you're volunteering at St. Baldrick's. Which is where they shave their heads for kids with cancer. I said, are you like checking people in? Are you shaving people? He's like, no, I'm getting my head. This boy with his, you know, past his shoulder length hair. He's shaving his head to raise money for kids with cancer. And so I was completely floored. I was like, okay, so I'm sending the kids off. I sent our model team off. I ran down to where they were shaving his head and got in line behind him and took pictures of him getting his head shaved because that was, it was such a huge deal. For him. And the whole time he was standing in line, he had no idea he was doing it. He kept running his hands through his hair over and over on the way to, to getting it shaped off. But he did it and he was you know, still gorgeous. Good heavens. But it was those kind of kids that are gonna give up something of themselves for other people that just does my heart good. It was a little thing, but a huge thing. And yeah, they make me happy.

Matt: 8:37

The younger kids today, they get such a bad rap and our generation's the ones that's raising them. So I don't know what we're complaining. About, but there are so many kids, so many younger people. I call pretty much everybody under 40 a kid now.

Marnie: 8:50

Yeah, me too.

Matt: 8:52

but there, there's so many younger people today that give me so much hope that. We're gonna be okay in the future regardless of all the stuff that may be going on in the world that I like or don't like just hearing these stories about, kids like Preston and especially as much focus that society places on physical appearance these days that, any change like that could be. Whatever type of detrimental to him or to, to his image or to his brand, but the fact that he had something, it, it's kind of something like I do with, with so many angels. I found I think what I am, what God put me here on earth for, and I might not even know if I'm the right person to do that, but I feel chosen, so I'm gonna do what I can best. and just to keep meeting people like yourself and Preston and, I feel so lucky and blessed to be able to do what I do. Leading into more things you do with photography, tell me a little bit about your Christmas in July event.

Marnie: 9:58

Hmm. Okay. So Matt, I am a huge fan of elf the movie And I, even before that, that movie came out. I have always been, I was actually An elf on a children's theater tour when I was pregnant with my first kid it was the most fun I've ever had on stage in my life. So it, the elf thing has always kind of been there in the back of my head, and in late 2019, I got this big idea that it would be so much. To do a fundraiser where we showed the movie Elf, but we did it Rocky Horror Picture Show Style. So everybody could come, they could, you know, dress up in their winter stuff, their Christmas PJs and all that kind of thing. And then, We would just do the movie. So we'd show the movie, we would, you know, throw marshmallows. We'd have, you know, the snowball fight. We would sing along, we would say our favorite lines. It made me so happy. So I called the movie theater. We got it booked, and then 2020 hit and I got foot off. And the next year the the theater that I had scheduled everything with completely changed all their policies. And so we couldn't actually do the fundraiser the way that we wanted to do the fundraiser. So we had to try to find a new place. We did we found an amazing theater here in town that's just, they have the biggest heart and no one knows. All the good things that if you're in eTown, Kentucky, crown Point Theater, these guys are ridiculous. They give more back to our community than anybody knows. So he was like, yeah, let's do it. That sounds great. So we decided to do it in July because I didn't wanna wait until Christmas time, So we decorated the theater, we sold tickets. And folks came. It wasn't as many people as we were hoping, cuz I managed to book it on the same weekend as every vacation bible school in town and everyone else was out of town. So it was a little bit lower than we expected, but we learned a lot. it was the best thing in the world was to sit in the back of that theater during the second show. And I watched it with my son who's, I mean, he's 20, but he's my boy and you know, the two of us sitting in the. Singing at the top of our lungs, saying our little lines, throwing snowballs at each other and just having a good time. And it was amazing to see these people who showed up in July in Kentucky with all of our heat and humidity in their Christmas sweaters, and everybody that walked in, just huge smiles on their faces as they were so excited that they were doing something fun and that they were gonna make a. So all the money that we collected for, that we gave to an organization in town who we love because their whole existence is just to provide money. To fund other nonprofits. And that's right there in my heart. Like that just makes me happy that they're supporting others. So give Two Seven now is the name of, of the organization. And we waited cuz we weren't really sure. They were like, you know, we want you to be in, on, you know, what we end up donating this to and. We got to the end of the year, and it turned out there was an, there's an organization in town our, our Helping Hand that does a, they call it Affordable Christmas. So they have things for families to come in to shop for, for toys and clothes and things for the kids for Christmas. We knew exactly that's where it needed to go, so we made sure we, we cut them a check and so that they could have, you know, a little bit more to give to folks at a time. Just, you know, where people just need a little extra joy.

Matt: 13:23

That's beautiful. So have you seen any other businesses around town doing things that inspired you to maybe do something different or try something new or as far as giving or serving others?

Marnie: 13:37

There are, yeah, there's actually I have a couple friends who own a little boutique clothing store downtown and they are really big every year on trying to put together back to school supplies for kids. And it's just, they're just two ladies. They're sisters, they're awesome humans. And it's just the two of them. And they put together so many backpacks full of supplies for kids every year. It is ridiculous. And I think seeing that kind of thing around me makes it seem like, well, you know, it's just me. I'm just one person. I'm a tiny little low volume studio here in the middle of, of Kentucky. And that kind of thing just says, oh no, I can make a difference too. So it has definitely helped me seeing things like, like them as helped me to say, yeah, it sounds pretty crazy to say that one. Is gonna put together a huge fundraiser to try to raise, you know, thousands and thousands of dollars and, is that gonna be possible? I don't know, it seems a little crazy, but when you see other people doing it successfully, it makes you understand that it's possible. It just takes a little bit of thinking and a little bit of planning and a little bit of praying And. that tends to work.

Matt: 14:58

Yeah. And just like you, you're watching them. You don't know who's watching you and you might never know who you're impacting with things. We're both about to head the imaging and people will come up to you there and they'll come up to me there and say, you know, I've been watching you do this or that. It's like, wow, thanks for saying that. And they might have never, you might not be friends on Facebook, you might have never come across them before, they want to let you know that you're doing good stuff. And it gives you, I like to talk about the dose that D o s e dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin, and endorphins, and it just hits and it becomes addicting and you just, okay, where can I get my, for lack of a better term, where can I get my next high from giving? And gets to where you just want to keep doing it that's why it's sometimes easier. For me to give than receive because it's just, I, I love doing that stuff. You know those two ladies with the backpacks, there's more than you just watching them. The whole community's watching them. And what I picture with something like that is in 10 years when one of those kids that got that backpack, they start something like that, wherever they're living at that time, and those ladies may never see the ripples that they've helped create.

Marnie: 16:16

Yeah.

Matt: 16:17

So when you're teaching you teach photography and business when you're teaching and you see that light bulb go off in somebody's head or somebody's eyes and they get what you're teaching, how good a feeling is that? And do you have any stories about that?

Marnie: 16:33

Oh yeah, it's the best thing in the world. I think it's, it's easy when we teach to focus on the people that don't get it sometimes, and when you realize, ah, you know, they hear it and they're not gonna do anything about it. And they're just gonna keep struggling and suffering in their businesses and that's horrible to think about. So yeah, those wins are, are big and, and, and keep you kind of going on cuz nobody gets into photography education cause they think they're gonna make money at it. Like that's not that is not why we do this. So yeah, I have I have a woman that I mentor who is just the sweetest thing. And when we started. It was kind of painful as we were going through all of the things that we needed to go through. She's like, she was working on starting a senior program and she was working on trying to develop her families a little bit bigger, but she also had this whole travel photography thing that she did. and she had a, a little blog that she had started several years back and that kind of thing, but she was trying to build the seniors and families and the more that we talked and the more that we worked together, the more that we were going through this. I finally looked at her and I said, you know, Sandra, I don't know that this is really what you need to be doing. The only thing that you seem to be really excited about is the travel photography, and it seems to get in the way of all these other things that you say you think you wanna do. And so we worked through that together and now, She is killing it. Doing this travel photography, her blog it's getting really good results and she's seeing, you know, finally seeing some income coming in off those things. And to see her excitement and her joy when we talk is a completely new. it's no longer frustration. It's no longer feeling like she's banging her head against the wall. She's actually, finding ways to do what she loves and have a, a profit off of it. You know, she's not just struggling and not, spinning her wheels and not seeing anything happen. And that's been just ridiculously rewarding. And now she is actually starting to teach about what she knows and loves. And that's been fun to see too. So she's giving. Now. And yeah, that's, and that's hugely, hugely rewarding. I mean, how could it not be,

Matt: 18:48

Yeah. It, it really is. It's, I see people, photographers talking about how, how busy they are, they're up at 3:00 AM and. They're editing and this and that and they're not as profitable as they could be. And I see, usually it's, it's in person, but I'll comment online as well. When they say they burned out, they, they're, they're just tired of what they're doing. And I will ask, and I'll like to ask this in person cuz I can see the reaction. I will ask them, when's the last time you photographed something for you? And I see the blank stare sometimes and the lack of a quick response, you're not answering right away. You know, maybe try something that's for you. And is there a way to make what your favorite thing to photograph? Is there a way to make that a business or make money off of that? And there's gotta be, I mean, there's people making, making videos of eating food. You know, there's, there's a way to monetize pretty much everything these days, which kind of gets me sidetracked sometimes. And I'll go off on a little, side hustle adventure and come back a week later and say, well, that was a waste of a week, but sometimes I will learn things. Yeah. sometimes I'm trying to get work wiser and not, not harder, work smarter and it's a challenge sometimes because life happens, but at the same time it's fun learning new things and learning what works and. What you can refine to the way your processes work a little bit. So I've got a question looking through your Facebook feed, and now I will say, not stalking, but researching, which is cooler meeting Santa Claus or meeting a dog.

Marnie: 20:29

Oh gosh, that's not a fair question at all. Okay, so I'll have to say I've met my fair share of Santas. And I, I might rather read a dog. I, there's, okay. My daughter is a big animal lover and I have always loved him, but not the way she loves them. Mm-hmm. And so the more I am around her and her just absolute. Obsession over every creature that crosses her path, the more I love them too. So we have, we have cats. We have too many cats because my daughter's obsessed with animals. So we have three, but we have a family of five cats that's been visiting our backyard. And you would think that, you know, I don't even, can't even say who it is, like, you know, the, I don't even know. Somebody huge and big and famous was in our backyard. Every time these cats come visit, because she has to go and sit by the back window and talk to every one of them like they're her baby. So yeah, I would have to say that the dogs would win out. They're, they're getting nearer and dear to my heart every single day.

Matt: 21:34

Now hear ya. If you could go back and give your 18 year old self one. Of advice, what would it be?

Marnie: 21:41

Oh, wow. Gosh, Matt, that's hard. I guess I would probably tell 18 year old me not to hold onto things too tightly that it's, there's something really freeing about knowing that everything is gonna be okay, like if everything, it doesn't matter what. I have what I lose. Everything is still gonna be fine. I could let this photography studio go tomorrow. Mm-hmm. and everything will be fine. And you know, there are people that come and go from our lives and that's, it is okay to not have those same people in our lives every single day. And I, I just wish that, that I've been, yeah, that I knew that then that it'd be okay to not, to not worry about that. Yeah. And then, and to trust myself more. Yeah. I think that's a big piece too. I'm still telling myself that

Matt: 22:37

every

Marnie: 22:37

we're telling 49 year old Marni that too.

Matt: 22:40

every single day. So does 49 year old Marni have a morning routine, and if so, what does it look like?

Marnie: 22:47

Oh yeah, I do on, on days that work the way they're supposed to. I get up and I stumble my way down the stairs to my treadmill and I watch TV for half an hour while I work out on my treadmill And then let's see, and then I shower. I grab something to eat on my way to work and then I'm in the office hitting the ground running.

Matt: 23:12

Who are some people in the photography industry that have influenced your work or your business?

Marnie: 23:18

Oh. So I don't know how many folks know her, but she is been one of the biggest influences is a woman named Angela Kirky, and she used to be the. Education director for PPA and Angela. Was huge in helping me, not just to get some business things fixed on the business side of my business, but also in helping me get started doing more education. She was really, really supportive. And I might have, I might have cried a little when she told me she was retiring from P ppa. So Angela, definitely, Mary Fisk Taylor was huge in helping me to. Take the leap to finally raise my prices to what they really, really, really needed to be, not just what I thought I could get away with. And then Ronan Ryle 3XM Ronan has been a huge influence over the past couple of years just because that man has the biggest heart for photographers that I think I've ever seen. And he I know that he's, you know, he's a marketing genius and, you know, you could easily be cynical and chart, you know, kind of chalk all of him up to just being really good at marketing. But Ronan genuinely believes that photographers make a big impact on our world. and he does everything he can to help photographers have thriving businesses so they can continue to do that. And that has been just a huge inspiration for me to kind of keep going. When, you know, education starts to take over and I'm not getting as much business stuff as I should get done because I'm spending too much time on the education side.

Matt: 24:54

With Angela, Mary and Ronan, I. Each of those people, because the people that they have helped and the people that they have helped have gone on to help other people just in business and photography, serving families and, and individuals with their photos amazing experiences and, people in the photography community that don't get a lot of credit. Are out there as well, it's just nice to be able to put faces to names and we get to do that in imaging. So that's kind of exciting to see a bunch of people I haven't seen for three years What is one question that you wish I'd asked you and how would you have answered it?

Marnie: 25:34

Holy moly, Matt. you're like laughing evilly over there. I can see it. Let's see. See, you did a good job. I'm trying to think if there's anything else. Oh, you know what? Yeah, I could, I could say, I would always, I'll always use an excuse to brag on my kids. So maybe, yeah. To, for me to tell you a little bit about my, my people. My boy is Jonas and he is 20. He is studying to be a comic artist right now. And that child has. Very severe. A D H D, anxiety disorder, O c D. And he, he struggled a lot as a kid and he might be one of my biggest inspirations on in, yeah, in this world. He has always been the kindest soul of anyone I've ever known. I've learned more from that kid than I swear I've learned from anyone else in my life. And to see the way that he has overcome all the things that were so stacked against him. And to be the really cool human being that he is. Just astounds me every day. And then my daughter is Lily and she's just again, she's right there with Jonas. They're, they're very cool people. They have been very kind to me as teenagers. she's 18 or turns 18, the end of the month. And I hear daily with, you know, being a senior photographer, I hear all the time about how, you know, I'm about to kill him. I can't wait for him to get out of the house. And I'm like, I love. My kids, my kids are really ridiculously cool people, and so I just sort of nod my head and go, yeah, they're really rough, aren't they? Yeah, they're, they're hard. I'm like, oh, might have been really, really sweet to me.

Matt: 27:10

Yeah. I have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah,

Marnie: 27:13

really don't, I'm like, maybe they're gonna go through a phase when they're in their, you know, mid twenties where they hate me, but for now we're just gonna go with it.

Matt: 27:20

So usually I would ask, what are you grateful for? But I will say, what else are you grateful for?

Marnie: 27:26

Hmm. I'm grateful for everybody who's ever trusted me to help them with their businesses. That's a big thing. I'm grateful for this studio and for just the freedom that it's bought brought to my family for my husband to be able to leave a job that was killing him. And for this to be able to support us is, is a huge, huge thing. So I'm grateful for that. I'm grateful for the people who have. Poured into me and helped me to learn how to do this. And I'm, and I'm grateful for being aware that I don't know it all and that I need help constantly. And so yeah, I'm grateful that God gave me the good sense to listen to people who are smarter than me.

Matt: 28:08

So when you do listen to those people who are smarter than you how. Times Do they have to tell you something for you to take action on it? How many times do they have to put into you to make you think, you know what, maybe they are not wrong. Maybe I need to start listening to these other people. Does that ever happen?

Marnie: 28:29

Oh, it's totally first time. I am, I am really good at being aware of where my shortfalls are, So yeah, so if I've got something that's not working and someone else, who has been successful and is proven and that I trust says maybe you need to think about this. I'm gonna, I'm gonna think about it and I'm gonna make some changes.

Matt: 28:48

So what if it's not a shortfall? What if they're pushing positivity on you? Is it more of a situation where there's a thousand good comments and likes on that photo, but one person says, you know, her ear is not lit properly. Are you focusing on the one or are you focusing on a thousand? And if it's a thousand, can you help me help others focus on that thousand?

Marnie: 29:12

Yeah, no, I am right there with you. I will focus on that one person. That was, yeah, I, we got our, I, I spoke at imaging. During our, our stay at home imaging so I, a virtual one and the feed, the one there were, I don't know, I ignored them. I ignored all of the beautiful, like very sweet things that people said. And the one that I focused on was this was person who pointed out something that I had, like, spoke like off the top of my head during a Q and a and I was like, oh, yes, I shouldn't have said that. That was the worst. That was. and that's what I remember So, you know, I've, I have learned that about myself. I know that I'll do that because it's, it is hard for me to take praise. That's just, that is a, I'm working on it. You know, we're, I'm almost 50. I'm not quite done yet. Right. But I will try to take those things, those pieces, the negative things that I hear and think about them. Think about them rationally, see, what can I do to fix that next time? And bring that in. And just, you know, not, let, not, you know, I do my best to not beat myself up over them, but instead kind of turn it around and say, okay, I'm gonna fix that. So yeah, being aware is hard, but I think it's, yeah, that self-awareness is, is important.

Matt: 30:31

If you were not a photographer, which occupation would you like to?

Marnie: 30:36

How Well my previous life before I was a photographer I was in the the theater industry. That was my, my first job. But I don't know that I would go back to that. So I would tell you, okay, I have two, and this is gonna sound silly and I don't mean it to be a slight or to make it sound like I'm just being fluffy, but for real. Volunteered at a McDonald's to work a cash register for a fundraiser. It may have been the most fun night of my life. I had a ball doing that. I'm sure if I did it every day and I had people complaining about me about, you know, my fries weren't salted enough or something, I would be over it really fast. But, That one night, man. I was like, I could, I'm gonna retire and I'm gonna work at McDonald's and it's gonna be great. And the other thing is I got to photograph. We were doing a, there was a house that was being restored here in an 18 hundreds home, and part of it, they had to demolish this. Greenhouse that was attached to the house and I swore after that what I'm gonna do when I get out of photography. I am going to run a demolition service because that was the most fun. I think. I'm like, now I know why little boys get excited about playing with, you know, trucks and destroying. It looked, it was so much fun watching them take that thing apart. So I think that might be it. Maybe I'm gonna go into demolition.

Matt: 31:54

I remember this is how much of an impact this made on me, and I'm not sure what that says. Back in junior high I think it was during a fund. Or play day or something. There was an old car there, like a when I was in junior high. It wasn't that old. I guess it was a late, late sixties, early seventies car, and you got to take a whack at it for. Like a buck or two with the sledgehammer, or you could get three wax for 10 bucks or something. And it was, they had a line, I don't know how long the line was, but you had to wait and it was just, you know, the destruction part of thing. I don't even know if that would be allowable today, but if there are any McDonald's franchise owners, I have an idea from, from what you said, make one of the register. And it would have to be a volunteer thing, have a different charity come in every day, and make it very clear that if you go to that register for that day or for that time period, that a portion of those proceeds or all of the proceeds or, or whatever for that day or that time period would go to that charity. pretty sure there's a little red tape in there with corporate, but maybe corporate. Or maybe it, it's any day that it's not Ronald McDonald Charity. You have one a month, one a month, or one a week for another local charity. So I like that idea, but I'm not going to do anything with it cuz there are too many other ideas in my noggin. So the last question is, where can we find you online?

Marnie: 33:22

I'm on, I'm, I'm a little old school, right? So I'm on Facebook at Clagett Photography and Marnie Claggett. I'm on Instagram at, I think it's, let's see, Marnie321 or Clagett Photography and I don't know. Where else am I? Out of on I guess that's probably it. Yeah. Or my website, you know, those kind of things.

Matt: 33:40

We will look for you. Thank you so much again for your time today, and I will see you.

Marnie: 33:46

Thanks Matt. See you soon.